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The identity of Jesus, Pt. 2

jesus“Hence we have the Father, Son and Holy Spirit equally divine, though personally distinct from each other. We have in fact, but one God, one Lord, one Holy Spirit; yet these are equally possessed of one and of the same divine nature.” (Alexander Campbell, The Christian System) From early times, many have affirmed that Jesus was “God made flesh.” The book The Da Vinci Code makes the claim that this belief is only as old as the Nicene Council of 325 A.D., yet we have older documents that refer to this doctrine. The Latin theologian Tertullian even used the term “trinity” to describe the relationship between Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and he lived about 100 years before the writing of the Nicene creed.

What is of interest to us, of course, is what the Bible says. Here’s a few arguments that are presented in favor of Jesus being “God made flesh”:

Direct statements in Scripture such as John 1:1; John 1:18; Romans 9:5; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1

Jesus accepted worship, while maintaining that we should worship God alone.

The Father and Jesus are often referred to in an interchangeable way:

Romans 8:9-11. Who lives in us? “the Spirit of God,” “the Spirit of Christ,” “Christ” “the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead,” “his Spirit”

In Revelation, we have these passages:
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8)

“I am the First and the Last.” (Revelation 1:17 — Jesus speaking)

“He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.” (Revelation 21:6-7)

“Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End… I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” (Revelation 22:12-16)

Those around Jesus understood Him to be describing Himself as God, so much so that the Jews tried to kill Him for that very thing!

The apostle Thomas called Jesus “my Lord and my God” after Jesus’ resurrection.

I’ll open the floor for other arguments and comments on these.

The identity of Jesus

“Revelation no where declares that there are three persons of the same substance in the one only God; and it is universally acknowledged to be above reason” (Barton W. Stone, Address to the Christian Churches, 2nd Edition [1821])

From the early years of the church, the question of Jesus’ identity has been a difficult one for Christians. Heresies arose which contended that Jesus was not truly human or that “Christ” came upon Jesus at his baptism and left him before the cross. Others, seeing that some saw Jesus as being one with the Father, called their opponents “Father-killers,” saying that they would portray the Father as being nailed to the cross.

In modern times, men have more problems with the divinity of Jesus. Within the church, many have rejected the doctrine of the Trinity, refusing to see Jesus as God incarnate. The arguments presented tend to be:

  • The Bible teaches that there is only one God; if Jesus is God, then there is more than one God.
  • Jesus, while on earth, spoke of the Father as being superior. He presented himself as one who did what the Father told him to do.
  • Jesus was tempted, while James tells us that God cannot be tempted.
  • Jesus prayed to the Father while on earth. He spoke of the Father knowing things that he did not. He continually spoke of God in the third person.
  • The Bible speaks of Jesus as being created or begotten, not as an eternal being.

I’ll try to present the other side in my next post. For now, I’d like to know if there are other arguments that I’ve missed. These are the main ones that I have heard. (If you didn’t read the previous post, please do so before commenting!)

My God can beat up your God

All right, I’m troubled. I was reading some of the comments on a popular blog, and I started wondering if we were on the same planet. Many of those commenting come from my faith heritage, but…

Basically they were saying that some of the things the Bible says can’t be true because those things don’t fit their view of God. One person wrote: “These – the violent stories – were how the people understood God and how they looked back and interpreted their actions but I think we can say with confidence that God was not interested in killing every living thing. Unless we are willing to say that the God of the OT is not the God revealed to us in Jesus Christ.” That’s not my God, they’re saying, He doesn’t act that way. So whoever wrote the Bible was wrong.

Reminds me of Job and his friends. Nothing about what God was doing fit their theology, so they tried to make things fit. The friends blamed Job. Job blamed God. Then, in the end, God stepped in (or, as the commentators on that blog would say, some Hebrew wrote what he imagined God saying… but I digress). In Job 41 and 42, God basically says, “I’m God. You’re man. I don’t have to make sense to you.”

That troubles us, but it’s true. Fact is, if God is as much bigger as us as we think He is, we shouldn’t be able to fully understand Him. To use a crude example, it’s like cockroaches trying to explain humans. What we do probably doesn’t make much sense to them. In cockroach terms, man is inexplicable. Shouldn’t God be hard for us to explain?

Here go a few principles that come to mind:

  • God is not limited by human logic. Just because something about Him doesn’t make sense, that doesn’t mean it’s not true.
  • God is not limited by the “laws” of science and/or nature.
  • God is only limited by His nature. He is holy, so He can’t sin. He is truth, so He can’t lie. [I have problems fitting love and hate into this; any ideas?]

Bottom line: My God is so big that I can’t fully understand nor explain Him. When revealed truths conflict with my preconceived notions, it’s my notions that need adjustment.

If your God isn’t that big, then my God can beat up yours!

God on God

Dr. Tom Olbricht, one of my professors when I was in college, had a profound impact on my approach to the Bible. I was reminded of this the other day when reading Nick Gill’s blog. Dr. Olbricht taught me to look for the things that the Bible itself says are most important and that one of the ways the Bible does this is by repetition. Something that appears numerous times in the Bible is probably something that we should take notice of.

In the past year I’ve become aware of a passage that the writers of the Bible seemed to think is very important, even though it’s a passage that I’ve tended to overlook. The passage is Exodus 34, especially verses 5, 6 and 7. In those verses, God describes himself. And the Bible refers back to this description time and again.

“The LORD descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. The LORD passed before him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation.” ” (Exodus 34:5-7 ESV)

You may rememeber the scene. It’s “the replacement of the tablets,” when Moses goes up the mountain to receive the law a second time. He asks to see God’s glory, and God has him stand in a hollow in the rock, allowing Moses to see “God’s back.” And as God passes by, He declares His own name.” But He doesn’t just say “Yahweh” or “Jehovah.” He offers this description, a description which is referred to time and again in the Bible (For an idea, look at Numbers 14:18; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalm 86:15; 103:8; 145:8; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2; Nahum 1:3).

Who is God? He is a gracious and compassionate God. He is slow to anger and abounds in love and forgiveness. Yet He punishes sin. That’s our God. We need to see His love and mercy, and we need to see His justice.

I want to take time to meditate on the meaning of this description of God. After all, it comes from God Himself.