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1 Timothy 2:8-10

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All right, I’ve gathered my courage and am ready to delve into a couple of passages where I hold unorthodox views. If you’d rather not have any preconceived notions challenged, please don’t continue reading. These are the kind of posts that inspire the local villagers to gather around my castle with torches and pitchforks, ready to slay the monster…

Let me begin with some disclaimers:

  • No, I’m not promoting anything. Too many people want to start with the conclusions and work backwards. I’m trying to deal with the text. Only when we have fully dealt with the text can we work on the application. Too many people let what they want to find dictate what their study will reveal.
  • I’m presenting hypotheses. If the orthodox conclusion is correct, I will be thrilled to return to that view. Help me get back to it, if that’s what I need to do.

So, what better passage to get into trouble with than a passage about gender roles in the church? Or, should I say, a passage that we’ve made to be about gender roles in the church. Let’s look at 1 Timothy 2:8-10:

“I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.” (ESV)

Many people feel that Paul, in this passage is telling us who can pray in public and who can’t. My belief is that he’s talking about what and not who. Here’s why:

  1. What if this passage said, “I desire that in every place men go to church instead of going to the theater on Sunday”? Would we then argue that only men can go to church? Paul is telling the men to stop quarreling and start praying. His command that men should pray doesn’t preclude women from praying as well. Look at Titus 2:2-3; we logically understand that the older women are to have the same traits as the older men. Interestingly enough, the grammatical construction between these two passages seems to be similar. The connecting word between the instructions for the two sexes, “likewise” or “in like manner,” is used both in 1 Timothy 2 and in Titus 2.
  2. I think that most of our translations have allowed their views toward this passage to override their grammatical understanding. To help you see what I mean, let me quote from Young’s Literal Translation. Young seeks to reflect the grammar as closely as he can, and he translates this passage as follows: “I wish, therefore, that men pray in every place, lifting up kind hands, apart from anger and reasoning; in like manner also the women, in becoming apparel, with modesty and sobriety to adorn themselves, not in braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or garments of great price, but — which becometh women professing godly piety — through good works.” There is no verb in verse 9, only a participle. It seems that Paul is saying that the men should pray without quarreling and the women should pray in becoming apparel. A. T. Robertson admits that this is what the grammar could say, but he doesn’t think it fits with verses 11-15. I say that’s not translation, that’s interpretation. Besides, Paul talks about women praying in public in 1 Corinthians 11; why can’t he do it here as well?

I think that in 1 Timothy 2:8 Paul tells men how they should pray and in 1 Timothy 2:9 he tells women how they should pray. No, I’m not advocating women preachers, women elders, nor any outings on slippery slopes. I’m trying to figure out the meaning of this passage in 1 Timothy 2. Help me out with your comments. Save the pitchforks and torches for later.

Women in Church

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A lot of us saw the stir last week when Baptist pastor Timothy LaBouf “fired” a woman teacher, establishing a policy that women would not teach men in his congregation. That, connected with some other things I heard the weekend before, got me to thinking a bit about women in the church. I’m not going to write about the big questions about women (although my official stance on those questions is Yes-No-No-Yes-No). Instead, I want to reflect a moment on one of the most critical tasks in the church that is almost exclusively carried out by women.

At a team-building workshop for the organization I work for, the facilitator quoted something that I had heard before, saying that if a person doesn’t believe the basic truths of Christianity by age 10, there is only a 10% chance that they will be converted in the course of their lifetime. Add that to the studies that show that our basic moral values are essentially set in stone by early elementary school and others that show our basic personality is forged by age 7, and we get a clear picture of the importance of proper training in early childhood.

How does that typically translate to the church situation? Nursery, cradle roll, preschool classes, early elementary Sunday school. That’s the “front line” for the future of the church. And who are the soldiers on that front line? Women. Almost exclusively. Our women carry out arguably the most important tasks in the church (speaking, of course, of what goes on at church. Their influence in the home during these formative years is even greater).

I got to wondering what would happen if a church announced: “We will no longer permit men to teach in the cradle roll. This work is too important to be left in the hands of males.” Would we suddenly get dozens of men clamoring for their right to participate in this vital work?

It would be interesting to see.